Doomed, we're all Doomed : And yet the world still turns.

[One-armed dwarf]

Earlier than I'd hoped for, I still held an outside hope of the triggering of article 50 being delayed and delayed until the Brexiteers forgot about it, but I guess unfortunately it seemingly was never going to be that simple.

A lot of my friends thought this but there's no way you put such a monumental decision to the public and sort of walk away whistling. Brexit isn't legally binding but it's constitutionally impossible that the Tories don't honour it now.

The question still lingering is what happens to London's financial service industries because losing that golden goose will be a disaster, not just for London.

And as Britain goes ahead extriacating itself from the evil EU bureacrats there's no clarity yet either on what kind of border is going to be running through Ireland. If it doesn't preserve the current status quo you will have another situation like the Troubles. I guess no-one really cares about that though

[merman]

Taking back control?
Hardly. The Great Repeal Bill will stomp all over your rights.
And the vast majority of the decisions will be made by ministers rather than Parliament.

[One-armed dwarf]

https://twitter.com/tradegovuk/status/7 ... 2325982208

[shinymcshine]

https://twitter.com/tradegovuk/status/7 ... 2325982208

How much 'innovation' is there in jam? I know that there was SuperJam a few years ago (no sugar/additives) so what innovation is left.

I guess Philip Hammond could promised "jam tomorrow".

[sleepery jeem]

Taking back control?
Hardly. The Great Repeal Bill will stomp all over your rights.
And the vast majority of the decisions will be made by ministers rather than Parliament.

Which is voted on by MP's whom we elect.

[Pious the chosen]

Taking back control?
Hardly. The Great Repeal Bill will stomp all over your rights.
And the vast majority of the decisions will be made by ministers rather than Parliament.

Which is voted on by MP's whom we elect.

To be fair Jeem given how many people are bitter about this result, on both sides, I'm foreseeing voting of any kind will have a very low turnout for some time. Personally, when some were rattling the sabre about a second referendum early on, I definitely wouldn't vote again on this.

[sleepery jeem]

Never really understood that myself, I have always voted be it general, council etc.

The idea of not voting because my side didn't win or that it was annoying seems rather childish to me.

To defer responsibility is to reject it as well.

We're one of the few country's in the world that actually has a real free voting system, yes it not perfect as continual Labour postal vote scandals show but we still have a choice that 80% of a world does not.

[One-armed dwarf]

What I don't get is how a 'hard' brexit respects the wishes of the electorate when it was a slim majority which voted for Brexit in the first place.

48% did not want any kind of Brexit because of the perceived economic damage, among other reasons. Reasons which seemingly aren't being entered into the discussions happening now because that 48% 'lost' so their voice doesn't matter.

It's seems so un-nuanced and terrible that it is only about which side 'wins'.


But the other side of the argument I suppose is that maybe there is no Brexit but 'hard' Brexit.

[sleepery jeem]

It's seems so un-nuanced and terrible that it is only about which side 'wins'.

tell that to the SNP, for the independence referendum the 45'ers was robbed apparently leading to the SNP fighting for their right to be heard again.

Such a shame it wasn't 55-45 up here during the Brexit vote, as us stupid racist scum 40%'ers who voted leave aren't worth giving the time of day to apparently, I say this from experience after being asked by some student type to sign a petition in town.

I said to him that I was one of the 40%....and the look on his face it was like I s#at in his mums mouth, he quickly turned and stalked away, no attempt to argue his point, to stand his ground, really I thought lads like that went to collage to get smarter not just shag around.

[Blakey]

Neither the Scottish independence referendum nor Brexit results had clear victory's for either side, it wasn't 70/30 or even 60/40 for and against, it was 45/55 and 48/52, admittedly there was a bit more daylight in the Scottish one but it wasn't exactly a decisive victory.

On both occasions all either referendum has done has divide us further really, as the remainers were happy in the Scots Ref but it gave the separatists hope and was a sign to them that they should stick to their cause, trying to get the independence they want, no one thought as many as 45% of Scots would vote for independence.

And Brexit is even more divisive, the turnout was lower so it wasn't as representative as a country in the first place with only 33 million people voting, and the winning margin was even less at 48/52.

So it's incredibly disingenuous to me to say 'we won, we voted for this, accept it' Yes Brexit won but its left 16 million of us (and the rest that didn't vote) without any discernible way to move forward with the country, up shit creek without a paddle and waiting for the country's foundation to come down around them so we can say 'I told you so' and wait for the Tories to tear down our very foundations.

As for the College student comment, Jeem, I get where you're coming from but others have different opinions to your own, the student you encountered probably thought 'how can someone be so dim as to vote against independence' and you think the opposite, opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.

The funny thing is by voting Tory, Brexit and No you've just made life harder for yourself (I'll accept the No is more contentious) in Scotland than you would otherwise.

The best you can hope for is the SNP gets their 2nd referendum and a independent Scotland joins the EU, then we'd be fucked down here. At least you've possibly got an out, we're fucked whatever happens.

Rainy fascist Island.

[Snaggletooth]

As I voter for remain, I was disappointed by the result and still maintain that it was the right vote to cast.

But like our political system this was a democratic vote which was made easier by having 2 clear choices Remain or Leave.

52% = The Majority lets actually put it into numbers, over 1,500,000 million more votes went the way of leave
and while I would agree its not a dominating victory it regardless is a victory.
What message would it send to the 52% if we now didn't back up the vote by leaving you will have basically destroyed any faith in future votes.

Also if the vote had gone the other way the people moaning about the result now be supportive of those who used the same argument, my guess is not, they would be telling thats what a democracy is.

As for hard vs soft exit, as facts have shown a partial exit from the market changes very little to our having to abide under certain EU regs and contribution to the market, so is a part withdrawal even considered an exit from the market.

Personally I think its going to set the country back a good 15 years minimum and there are some hard times ahead, but I'm also not one of the doom and gloom arm chair politicians who know everything.

As for the Tories I'm glad the exit is not being managed under Cameron/Gove , yes unfortunately BJ still about and still early days for May and haven't really been able to form much of an opinion on her but hopefully it will be managed a bit more rationally than what could have been.

Labour give me a reason to vote for you at the next Election, give disenfranchised tory voters a reason to vote for you come the next election, And while Labourites love Corbyn I just dont think he's the right person for the PM job.
He was the right person to be challenging Cameron while in power but unless he can put together a solid manifesto on how to manage the exit of the EU and Rebuild the country I think we are doomed to another 4 years of a tory government, who unless can prove otherwise over the next 2 remaining years are equally as unfit to be running the country.

In short I dont see any positives from any side any time soon, if anything I only see UKIP gaining more which is bloody scary.

[Bilge Rat]

UKIP is all about the cult of Farage. They aren't going anywhere unless he U-turns on his retirement again.

[Snaggletooth]

To be fair when there are no credible alternatives and people become disillusioned with what we have more will turn to the likes of UKIP.
I'm not saying they are likely to get into power but they are still in a position where they are a threat to gain more local seats, take out the racism factor they spoke to lots of people, add the racism and they spoke to even more.

[One-armed dwarf]

Firms are going to be made to reveal how many non-British they hire under new regulations in an effort to increase hiring of British.

I wonder how much consideration will be given to the relative skill of each or are we just going to witness a new fun kind of affirmative action.

Heil Britannia.

[One-armed dwarf]

EU nationals living in UK to be used as bargaining chips in negotiations.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... main-in-uk

Yes, it's the Guardian, I know. But

Fox, who was speaking at a fringe event, said the government would “like to be able to give a reassurance to EU nationals in the UK, but that depends on reciprocation by other countries”.

He said any other strategy “would be to hand over one of our main cards in the negotiations and doesn’t necessarily make sense at this point”.