The American Football Thread

When the other folders just won't do!
Killer_Carp
Posts: 5927
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:16 pm

Re: The American Football Thread

Post by Killer_Carp » Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:41 am

Really not sure how I feel about this.


http://www.newsobserver.com/life/travel ... 66909.html
WASHINGTON -- The NFL players, like football fans everywhere, will be focused on the playoffs in January and the fierce competition for a spot in the Super Bowl. Their lawyers, however, will be keeping an eye on the Supreme Court.

On Jan. 13, the pro-football owners will be asking the high court to rule for the first time that the NFL is shielded from the anti-trust laws because, while its teams compete on the playing field, they function in business as a "single entity."

If the justices were to agree, the ramifications could be significant, not just for football but all pro-sports leagues, say experts in sports law. Freed from the anti-trust laws, owners could conspire to restrict salaries for players and coaches and raise prices for everything from tickets to stocking caps.

"For the NFL, this case is like buying a lottery ticket. If they win, it's a huge victory, with the potential to be incredibly significant," said Gabe Feldman, who teaches sport law at Tulane University. "If not, they don't lose much."

Sports leagues have long confounded anti-trust law because they involve both competition and collaboration. The National Football League is made up of 32 independently owned teams which not only compete on the field, but also compete off the field for players, coaches and the loyalty of fans.

But at the Supreme Court, the owners speak of the NFL as a "single unit." It "exists to produce collectively an entertainment product that no member club could produce on its own," they say.

For much of the NFL's history, the owners controlled the players and kept salaries low. In the early 1990s, however, the players used an antitrust suit to win the right to sell their services as "free agents." This settlement agreement expires in 2011, say lawyers for the players union, along with labor agreements in Major League Baseball, the National Basketball Assn. and the National Hockey League.

Lawyers for the players in the four sports say they fear the Supreme Court case could be the first step toward shifting power back to the owners.

"The owners' appeal in this case is a Trojan horse designed to free sports owners so they can act without fear of the antitrust laws," says Jeffery Kessler, a New York lawyer who filed the brief on behalf of the players in football, baseball, basketball and hockey. A big win for the owners "would mean more work stoppages" by the players and their unions, he said.

Lawyers for the NFL declined to comment on the case, although they noted their legal arguments focus on the marketing and promoting of pro football, not the salaries of players.

The case before the high court began when the NFL gave Reebok an exclusive license to sell hats and caps with the logos of NFL teams. Until then, American Needle Inc., a maker of sportswear in the Chicago suburb of Buffalo Grove, had sold hats and caps with various team logos.

Shut out of the market, American Needle sued the NFL contending its licensing deal violated the Sherman Act, which forbids any "contract, combination or conspiracy in restraint of trade." Its lawyers said the consumers were being charged monopoly prices. They quoted a Reebok executive saying "basic fitted caps that were selling for $19.99 a few years ago were now selling for $30."

But a federal judge and the U.S. 7th Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago ruled for the NFL, saying the league acted as "a single entity," at least when it was promoting its product.

American Needle, having lost, appealed to the Supreme Court last year. In a highly unusual move, the NFL urged the justices to hear the appeal, even though the league had prevailed.

"This is like scoring a touchdown and then asking the officials to review the replay," Feldman said.

In its appeal, the NFL asked the justices to rule broadly that a pro-sports league can be "deemed a single entity" and is thereby immune from the antitrust laws "with respect to core venture functions." This should include matters such "where to locate its clubs" and "the terms and conditions of player employment," the league's lawyers said.

That comment set off alarms among the players. Their worries grew in late June when the Supreme Court announced it would hear the case.

The court's move set off talk in the world of sports law whether the conservative justices may be about to protect the owners from all manner of lawsuits. In recent years, the court has consistently cut back on the reach of the anti-trust laws.

But many others predict the court is likely to rule narrowly on the licensing dispute. Even so, the decision could have an impact on the marketing of pro sports.

"There is an astonishing amount of money at stake," says Northwestern law professor James Speta. "Sports are important to the economy and the culture, and this case could put more power in the hands of the leagues to raise prices for consumers."
Easily Distracted by Shiny Objects

Killer_Carp
Posts: 5927
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:16 pm

Re: The American Football Thread

Post by Killer_Carp » Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:23 am

Both the Colts and Saints go onto the Superbowl.
Easily Distracted by Shiny Objects

User avatar
retro74
Posts: 2305
Joined: Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:32 pm
Location: St Helens

Re: The American Football Thread

Post by retro74 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:51 am

Saints were lucky weren't they?

Who do you think will win the final?

Killer_Carp
Posts: 5927
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:16 pm

Re: The American Football Thread

Post by Killer_Carp » Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:57 pm

retro74 wrote:Saints were lucky weren't they?

Who do you think will win the final?
Hell ya they were lucky. The Vikings mess up that last play. First Favre was open enough to just run as far as he could and second there was a guy open too his right. Anyways, I don't care about any of the teams who made it and will be watching it just for the adverts. The adverts during the superbowl are the best. I'm thinking the Colts will win.
Easily Distracted by Shiny Objects

onewild
Posts: 1023
Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:15 pm
Location: Leeds

Re: The American Football Thread

Post by onewild » Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:15 pm

retro74 wrote:Saints were lucky weren't they?

Who do you think will win the final?
Out of the 4 that made it to the conference games, Colts are the only ones that really had nothing going for them in terms of the natural.
Vikings had Farve going for a Superbowl
Jets were the underdogs
Saints are the team risen from the ashes of Katina.
I hope Saints win.
As for the Saints been lucky, personally I think it was the Vikings that were lucky to even get anywhere near them when you consider they turned it over 6 times by fumbles alone.

User avatar
big mean bunny
Posts: 2954
Joined: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:58 pm

Re: The American Football Thread

Post by big mean bunny » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:05 pm

Money bags Manning and his freakish shaped head don't desire another ring. It was bad enough seeing him get the first one. Colston is one of my favorite players in the league now a days so I hope Saints win.

Killer_Carp
Posts: 5927
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:16 pm

Re: The American Football Thread

Post by Killer_Carp » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:32 pm

big mean bunny wrote:Money bags Manning and his freakish shaped head

:lol:
Easily Distracted by Shiny Objects

User avatar
Coyote Smith
Posts: 3161
Joined: Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:23 pm
Location: highlands of scotland
Contact:

Re: The American Football Thread

Post by Coyote Smith » Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:53 am

I really enjoyed the two games from last night (although I just watched them tonight). I was disappointed the Jets didn't go through but I'll definitely be cheering on the Saints in the Superbowl.

User avatar
warriorsq
Posts: 209
Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:28 am
Location: sometimes here, sometimes there

Re: The American Football Thread

Post by warriorsq » Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:18 pm

Well I will be cheering for the saints next week. After watching the NFL since 83, if there is a team and a bunch of fans who deserve some success its the Saints. I remember the days when the Saints used to be so bad the fans used to wear the paper bags over their heads to hide their identity :lol:
Image

User avatar
warriorsq
Posts: 209
Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:28 am
Location: sometimes here, sometimes there

Re: The American Football Thread

Post by warriorsq » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:51 am

Just ordered my tickets for the 49ers v Broncos game at Wembley in Oct. Not sure who I will support in this one tho
Image

User avatar
Coyote Smith
Posts: 3161
Joined: Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:23 pm
Location: highlands of scotland
Contact:

Re: The American Football Thread

Post by Coyote Smith » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:40 pm

How much are tickets? I feel a road trip coming on!

User avatar
Pyrite
Posts: 1176
Joined: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:31 am
Location: Midgar

Re: The American Football Thread

Post by Pyrite » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:24 am

Got mine this morning too, I cannot wait till October now!!

I have lower tier sideline tickets at about one of the ten yard lines, gunna have a cracking view of the endzone!! They were £100 each but I dont mind, probably be the only time I go so I thought what the hell!!

I am going to be supporting the 49ers. I'm planning on getting a jersey for the match, will wait until the new season ones are released though in case they are different.
Image
Officially Super Human

Killer_Carp
Posts: 5927
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:16 pm

Re: The American Football Thread

Post by Killer_Carp » Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:50 am

Pyrite wrote:I am going to be supporting the 49ers. I'm planning on getting a jersey for the match, will wait until the new season ones are released though in case they are different.
Good man, but I doubt that the 49ers jersey's will change at all.
Easily Distracted by Shiny Objects

User avatar
warriorsq
Posts: 209
Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:28 am
Location: sometimes here, sometimes there

Re: The American Football Thread

Post by warriorsq » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:02 am

Coyote Smith wrote:How much are tickets? I feel a road trip coming on!
I think the cheapest were about £50. My tickets were £80 and we will be on about the 30 yard line and up high, but have had a great view in the same place at the other games.

Tickets are on sale now to NFLUK forum fans who requested a special pin code to get in before general sale. I have a spare code if you want it, or you can wait till general sale. A mod on the site posted 9 minutes after tickets went on sale that 20,000 tickets had already been sold :D
Image

User avatar
warriorsq
Posts: 209
Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:28 am
Location: sometimes here, sometimes there

Re: The American Football Thread

Post by warriorsq » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:16 am

Killer_Carp wrote:
Pyrite wrote:I am going to be supporting the 49ers. I'm planning on getting a jersey for the match, will wait until the new season ones are released though in case they are different.
Good man, but I doubt that the 49ers jersey's will change at all.
Yeah its unusual for NFL teams to change shirts very often. I only saw one Crabtree shirt at last years game, but get the feeling I might see few more this year hehe
Image

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest