Doomed, we're all Doomed : And yet the world still turns.

[Blakey]

Absolutely fucking disgusting using people as bargaining chips, this Tory government sinks to new lows each and every day, Democratic People's Republic of Britain.

[One-armed dwarf]

In case there was any doubt that the above comments about rounding up lists of foreign workers was just for unskilled labour



lol, good luck Britain with the dark path you've set yourselves down.

[merman]

David Davis, minister for Brexit, has claimed the lies told by the Leave campaign were not important in the greater scheme of things.

Tell that to all the families being targeted by racists.
Tell that to everyone who has seen the pound in their pocket devalued.
Tell that to the companies now facing 10% higher costs for importing raw materials.

[One-armed dwarf]

As it turns out Theresa May has backed off from implying that foreign NHS workers will be asked to leave 'after the interim period'.

In any event, the original quote

Speaking to BBC Breakfast, the Prime Minister was asked: “Can you reassure those doctors, nurses, other staff working in the NHS from overseas they are welcome to stay here in that interim period?”

May said:

“Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period - until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals.

“We will ensure the numbers are there. But I think it’s right that we say we want to see more British doctors in our health service.”

[sleepery jeem]

am I the only one that thinks the Tories are deliberately being so bullish just to strengthen their future negotiating position ?.

Given Cameron's disastrous attempt at concessions when he told everyone what he was going to get before he even went there, why wouldn't the Government play with their hands close to their chest ?.

If you enter negotiations with a weak " please don't kick us out we'll be nice" you gonna get ass-f##ed, we need to come in from as strong a position as we can and compromise later.

[One-armed dwarf]

I think the much more simple fact is that you guys have ended up with a really rotten far-right government.

"We will never again let those activist, left-wing human rights lawyers harangue and harass the bravest of the brave"

British troops will never again suffer at the hands of "activist left-wing human rights lawyers" in the wake of thousands of "vexatious" allegations against them, Theresa May has said.

To cheers from delegates, the Prime Minister promised that European human rights laws will no longer apply in future conflicts.

I knew something was amiss when the new PM looked like a fucking Sith Lord.

[Blakey]

By bullish do you mean fascist and xenophobic Jeem?

No matter how much bravado they show towards the EU countries, you shouldn't use people as bargaining chips in negotiations, it's absolutely disgusting, as is having to name foreign workers at a business.

What it seems to me is that essentially the lunatics have taken over the asylum. After Brexit the Leavers in the Tory party felt that they'd now got a mandate to deliver on, and part of that mandate seems to be adopting UKIP policies and ramping up the rhetoric and action on immigrants to satiate the mouth-frothing UKIP wankers who voted to Leave.

[sleepery jeem]

By bullish I see standing up for oneself, and that business ID thing has already been knocked back along with 90% of stuff you always get at party conferences labour and lib dems included.

Its like the old Billy Connolly joke about dangerous dogs, government starts out saying hang them ! and ends up with give them a license.


Also that deregulation to protect soldiers has already been unpicked by lawyers (yes I read the law pages in the Times to) and it not a free for all letting our Army rape and pillage at will.

Dwarf you see a sith lord on the right ?, I see Jo Stalin on the left with just a dash of Hitler and finished off with the ineptitude of chairman Mao.

And what about the rights of the British people living and working in the EU ?, are you saying that if one EU member decides to remove rights from them we shouldn't be able to threaten the same ?.

Spain already made a point of mentioning that removing EU free medical access from British expats would generate welcome cash and free up resources for their own citizens.

To get a good a deal as possible is the priority , nice just wont cut it.

[One-armed dwarf]

I'm no Corbynite, he's a flaccid willy of a man. But I haven't seen any significant backtrack on the 'name and shame' policy other than a quote by Rudd saying 'We won't definitely do it'. Even if it's just bluster and not a statement of actual policy it's a chilling portent of the kind of employment practices we can look forward to.

In a toss up between two candidates of identical ability and different nationalities I would expect the position to go to the native on principal. But statements like 'nudging companies towards better behaviour' paints a much more grim picture. I don't see a good future for myself in a country which looks like it's actively seeking to create a disincentive towards employing me.

I also really don't see what kind of brilliant hand Britain is supposed to have in these negotiations. Frankly it seems to me you guys have everything to lose.

[Blakey]

Dwarf you see a sith lord on the right ?, I see Jo Stalin on the left with just a dash of Hitler and finished off with the ineptitude of chairman Mao.

Please tell me you don't seriously believe that I'm no fan of Corbyn but he's nowhere near as left wing as Mao and Stalin, Jesus Christ and the Hitler reference is bizarre, he was a fascist not a communist...opposite ends of the political spectrum.

A lot of what Corbyn stands for resonates with me (apart from the man himself) and I truly believe the country would be more equal and run for the people than it is now if he was in charge, the NHS would be pumped full of cash, we'd get cheaper train prices, greener energy, cheaper energy perhaps and free University for all.

But because he's a bit of a wet willy and all the right-wing media in the country are against him he'll never get anywhere, The Tories could conceivably be in power for another 20 years at this rate, and that is an incredibly scary thought.

I may move to Canada before I'm 30, their government is probably the best in the world at the moment.

[One-armed dwarf]

I heard some rumbling of a Tony Blair comeback.

Like Rocky Balboa style.

#only90skidsrememberthis

[shinymcshine]

Like Rocky Balboa style.

Wouldn't that be more relevant to UKIP leadership contenders?

[Blakey]

[sleepery jeem]

I think the much more simple fact is that you guys have ended up with a really rotten far-right government.

"We will never again let those activist, left-wing human rights lawyers harangue and harass the bravest of the brave"

British troops will never again suffer at the hands of "activist left-wing human rights lawyers" in the wake of thousands of "vexatious" allegations against them, Theresa May has said.

To cheers from delegates, the Prime Minister promised that European human rights laws will no longer apply in future conflicts.

I knew something was amiss when the new PM looked like a fucking Sith Lord.

Interesting article giving a bit more background to this in todays times.

Seems that the EU convention on human rights only started to apply to overseas conflicts after the second Iraq war, so when NATO bombed Belgrade during the Balkan crisis in 1999 the human rights court actually ruled that...

"The convention was not designed for application throughout the world, even in respect of the conduct of contracting states"

Looks like a chance at a little Yank bashing at the Bush administration quickly made them change their minds.

Its also bad news for Blakey as...

"Canada, like Britain was a member of the ISAF in Afghanistan, and also faced legal challenges to its detention policy.

But in contrast to the human rights court in Strasbourg, its courts chose not to apply the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms outside its own borders."

maybe that's where May got the idea from

[One-armed dwarf]

A lot of talk today about the Northern Ireland border and potential economic devastation of introducing a hard border as well as the political unrest it could introduce.

So far at least the UK have been saying the right things

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ish-border

After Britain’s vote to leave the EU in June, concern mounted that to control immigration, measures would have to be imposed on the 300-mile border between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland. Any such border controls would probably be seen as a violation of the Good Friday agreement and a provocation in a region that has only relatively recently put violence behind it.

[..]
Brokenshire said that Brexit would neither destabilise the power-sharing institutions set up under the Good Friday agreement nor provide any propaganda boost for hardline dissident republicans opposed to devolution in Belfast.

“Political stability and prosperity in Northern Ireland has been hard fought over many decades, and we will not do anything to undermine it,” he said. “There is no reason to think that the outcome of the referendum will do anything to undermine the rock-solid commitment of the UK government and the people of Northern Ireland to the settlement set out in the Belfast agreement and its successors.”

One of my housemates is of the 'Ireland's problem, not ours' view. Well Britain is responsible for creating that political situation, it's not something a country just washes its hands of.