Not sure I'd say its entirely down to the framreate myself as I find games like battlefield fine on 30FPS. CoD is a different Audience entirely (dicks mainly ). No reason you couldn't do what Killzone Shaow fall went for with 1080 30 on SP and 900 60 on MP I believe.One-armed dwarf wrote:Do you know why CoD was so dominant last gen? 60fps. I swear, when people say that it doesn't matter or that you can't notice a framerate higher than 30 (why do people believe this).. rgargahrg . But it's fine to have 30 for RPGs I think, ones like Dragon Age and Final Fantasy anyway. I wouldn't have stopped playing Dark Souls on 360 if the framerate wasn't so shit. It got so bad that I just decided not to bother playing it anymore to experience it 'proper' on PC when I get the funds, it's too good a game to waste on consoles.
maf-me-quick wrote:I never said it didn't matter. Visuals are a major part in the enjoyment of video games. But that's not because of resolution, that's just the amount of graphical grunt one of these things can spit out. Forza Horizon 2 is the best looking game I've seen all year, Assassin's Creed: Unity will probably be the other, but that's not solely down to resolution. That's not solely down to frame rate. It's look at this thing we've built that you couldn't do before. It's huge, and it's colourful, and it's intricate, and it's detailed, and it's lit beautifully, and it animates like a cartoon, or animates like real life, and it's all moving at once, and there's all these effects and there's all these things you couldn't do at once last gen. That's the power of graphics I think, to enable worlds and views and spectacle that couldn't be done before. The resolution in which it displays it all however is not the be all and end all to me. I don't know the resolution in which Horizon 2 runs at, but if it had to lose any of it's detail to go to a higher resolution I wouldn't swap. If it gained more and went to lower resolution, I probably would.*OneTwo* wrote: We bought a nex gen console for the games yes but c'mon your lying if it wasn't for the visual jump also. I don't buy just a frame rate bump is fine. I do honestly find it disappointing if these consoles can't do 1080 down the line. It's been a viable resolution now for years with new technology looming. We can pull games out to show it's not just about the visuals, and there's weight to that, but if we weren't bothered about visuals we wouldn't bother upgrading. We'd wall be happy with the WiiU's standards? You had a WiiU and then the PS4 came out with the same games but looked better you wouldn't buy it? Visuals are important. I'm not saying they are the be all and end all but it is an important factor so just trivilising it like it doesn't matter is bull.
That and, actually, Assassin's Creed is the perfect example of why I couldn't wait to go next gen. Assassin's Creed 3's woodlands area was visually amazing...until you started trying to interact with it and it crumbled down around you. Frame rate plummets, graphical glitches abound, pop-in. That was a key moment for me where people who had experienced better on PC were saying these consoles were done and it's like, yeah. They really are aren't they? Current gen over last gen, for sure.
The Wii U is interesting. You ask if I'd be happy with the standard Wii U games. What's the standard? Is it lazy 3rd party ports or is it Nintendo's standards? Mario Kart 8 looks stunning. It is absolutely beautiful. I do feel Nintendo are becoming very overly reliant on their bloom effect, but it's a spit shine over the top of the game. It doesn't stop the things in Mario Kart 8 from being crazy. It doesn't stop the things in Mario 3D World from being crazy. The Wonderful 101, not a Nintendo 1st party game, but the things in that game look fucking crazy. I love the way these games look. It can't do competitive "realistic games" to save it's life, but, then that's why it's the 2nd console. That's why it's a different console. That's why regardless of your first choice being PS4 or Xbox One it doesn't matter, they're are for all intents and purposes the same. But the choice for your 2nd console has to be a Wii U. You still can't beat Nintendo when they pull out all the stops, but then man can't live by Nintendo alone, either.
And to culminate most of this in to a single point: Mario Kart 8 runs on more or less last gen hardware, it has 60 FPS, and it's the best playing game of the year. You can really feel every hop and drift and push and pull of the kart. The responsiveness of the button inputs is borderline holy. The plastic shoulder buttons underneath your fingers becomes like squidgy foam with every tap, squeeze and pull. No 3 buttons have approximated the joy of racing as close as Mario Kart 8 has this year. The sound, animation and sense of speed that comes from every other part of the gameplay for sensory overload are big factors in it's success, but the 60FPS adds so much to making that game sensational.
Resolution is going to enchance those visual goodies textures to a cleaner image especially when compared to upscaling on a large TV. I'd take resolution over some frame rate enhancement I never missed to begin with which is the issue I have.
I recently finished Bayonetta and I could tell it was a lest gen machine dropping down and although it didn't ruin the game I couldn't help wonder what it'd be like on current gen. Your point about Mario kart 8 pretty much sums up what I'm about with this debate. I said it before its about the game. Killzone played great, at 30fps, and its one of PS4's stand out games visually. MP I didn't dabble much but runs at lower res to get 60fps. It's about hitting that target of what you want. A racer like MK8 needs 60fps as its at speed. same for beat-em-ups or sports games. They can do that with little fuss as their isn't so much going on usually but it isn't required for every genre IMO.
It's a shame consoles aren't like PC in that you can adjust resolutions and graphical affects to your own preference on PC (going by what kit you have) so we could all get what we want
Like I and recently Jax re-iterated, It's too early to say they should gimp the resolutions. Wait till Batman and Metal gear have come out and then we can debate more