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Post by Blakey » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:13 am

Hi all, been considering buying a gaming PC for quite sometime.

I know almost nothing about PCs and how powerful they should be etc....but I've seen Alienware have just brought out their new 'Alpha' PC which is meant to be kind of a PC-console thing I believe...and wondered whether this would be a PC that could run almost anything?

Here's a link: http://www.dell.com/uk/p/alienware-alph ... ware-alpha

Spec:
Processor: 4th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-4765T Processor(8M Cache, up to 3.00 GHz)
Operating System: Windows 8.1 (64Bit) English
Video Card: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX GPU 2GB GDDR5
Memory1: 8GB DDR3L at 1600MHz (2x4G)
Hard Drive: 2TB 5400rpm Hard Drive
Wireless: Intel® Dual Band Wireless-AC 7265 802.11ac, 2x2, 2.4 & 5GHz + Bluetooth 4.0
Warranty: 1Yr Collect and Return

Would this be a high-end PC or not? Are Alienware way overpriced?

£699 is probably the most I'm willing to spend on a PC, will I be able to get something that can run everything and be future-proofed for the next 2-3 years for this money?
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Re: PC Spec Advice

Post by Bilge Rat » Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:16 am

Alienware do tend to be somewhat over-priced but if you don't know what you are doing then it makes sense to pay a bit more to get something that you know will work. Other vendors tend to have some muddled specs that won't really work for gaming at all.

The PC you linked looks pretty decent for the price but I am a little suspicious of the graphics card. Even with that huge jumble of numbers and letters it seems that they haven't actually told you the model of card that you will be getting, just the range. The graphics card is one of the most important things for games and if they cheap you on that then your system can end up considerably less powerful than it should be. I'm not saying that what they are giving you is bad, just that I can tell.

I'm slightly wary of the machine being in such a small case as well. If you aren't going to be carrying the thing around then the tradeoffs required to fit a powerful machine into such a small box are rarely worth it. Then again, if anyone can make it work then I suppose Alienware can.

If you are dead-set on something that can play PC games whilst looking like an XBox then this is probably a decent choice. Personally I wouldn't want to sacrifice the flexibility that comes from a larger machine without a dumbed-down interface but if you know nothing at all about PCs then it should be an easy way to get the games working with minimal fuss.

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Post by One-armed dwarf » Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:23 am

I wouldn't buy a 'steam box', and I wouldn't say that could run anything you want. Steam-boxes strike me as those kinds of things which would be fun for people with loads of disposable income who want a quick PC-lite setup in the kitchen or sitting room or whatever, not someone looking to build their first PC.
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Post by Blakey » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:53 am

Thanks for the input guys, did a bit of research and I think the graphics chip is a custom GTX 860M that has been suped up based on its recent 'Maxwell' architecture brought out in March 2014, which is equivalent in power to a GeForce GTX 750 Ti I believe..
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Re: PC Spec Advice

Post by Snaggletooth » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:50 am

One thing I would really recommend after having built my PC last year is going for a small SSD around 250gig to put your OS install on, plus will leave you some space left over to install applications like steam while Installing content to a separate HD, The Performance Boost you gain is immense.

I opted for a WIn 7 OS which boots up in about 10 seconds or so, and also installed skyrim to it load times are basically non existent.

I started with 8gig ram, though intending to upgrade to 16 in the new year, I would imagine you should have no probs either with the i7 processor, I got an I5 and thats good mixed with my other hardware, certainly doesnt run all new games full spec at a high res, but due to being hooked up to a tv I reduce mine to 1080p so a squeeze a bit more out the graphical performance.

Just make sure your mobo is easily upgradable and your set.
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Post by Blakey » Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:19 pm

I'd love to build one myself but apparently there's some precarious moment where you have to link the Motherboard up with the CPU or something and the two can't touch otherwise it's fucked or something and I think that would stress me out far too much, could get someone to build it for me I guess and buy the parts online.
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Post by Snaggletooth » Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:37 pm

They aren't to bad but can understand why people wouldn't want to build them selves potentially a lot of money on the line if it goes wrong.
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Post by Blakey » Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:54 am

This sounds too good to be true:


THE UTOPIA DIFFERENCE: TCP - Truly Custom PCs: Want a component that's not on our site? Anything from a different
case to a specialist sound card... Just call or email us and we will include it in your PC!
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[GeForce GTX 750-series GPU or higher]
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CASE: CASE-WMACH-GREY - Warmachine™ ATX w/ Side Window & USB 3.0 [Space Grey chassis, Blue LEDs]
CHASSIS LIGHTING: LEDS-BLUE - Blue LED Ambient Lighting
CPU: BX80646I54430 - Intel® Core™ i5-4430 Quad Core 3GHz [6MB Cache, up to 3.2GHz]
CPU COOLING: RL-S12V-24PK-R1 - Cooler Master® Seidon™ 120V CPU Water Cooler
MOTHERBOARD: H81M-PLUS - Asus® H81M-PLUS Intel® H81 Micro-ATX (Socket 1150)
MEMORY: 16GB-WMACH - 16GB High Performance DDR3 1600MHz (2x8GB)
GRAPHICS CARD: NE5X76001042-1042F - NVIDIA® GeForce™ GTX 760 2GB GDDR5 [Rating: 8.0/10]
HARD DRIVE BAY 1: SV300S37A/120G - 120GB High Speed SSD SATA 3 6Gb/s
HARD DRIVE BAY 2: UT1TB - 1TB SATA 6.0Gb/s, 7200RPM, 64MB Cache
POWER SUPPLY: CP-9020050 - 550W Corsair® VS Series 80 Plus Certified PSU
OPTICAL DRIVE: SH-224DB/BEBE - 24x Dual Layer DVD±RW/DL SATA Drive
SOUNDCARD: AUD-ONBOARD - Integrated High Definition Audio - Standard on all systems
NETWORK CARD: ONBOARD-ETHERNET - Integrated 10/100/1000Mbps Gigabit Ethernet - Standard on all systems
OPERATING SYSTEM: WN7-00614 - Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-bit inc. DVD + License [Utopia Recommended]
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For £881 :shock: doesn't include a mouse, monitor, keyboard or Wi-Fi card though, but sounds amazing value for money. 16gb ram, a 120gb ssd, 1TB HDD, GeForce GTX 760 GPU, Intel i5 quad-core processor.
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Re: PC Spec Advice

Post by Snaggletooth » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:43 am

Sounds fair price to me, the water cooling seems a bit over top for the spec, but certainly doesnt do any harm.
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Post by Guinnes1981 » Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:38 am

Was looking into buying one last year (pre-second child) and whilst doing research, heard very good things about these guys... http://www.chillblast.com/
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Post by Blakey » Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:15 pm

Thanks for the help guys, I've looked into Utopia, Chillblast, Alienware, Scan and Vibox so far.

Never heard of Vibox but they're doing a really good offer at the moment where they're selling a £1500 machine for £1k, doesn't sound too bad but Utopia get better reviews/feedback from what I've read/heard.

Chillblast look decent and get great feedback too but they seem a bit more expensive than some of their competitors, I'm still looking into at the moment though.

I contacted Utopia on Facebook about the spec I've put above and they recommended that I downgrade the Memory to 8GB and buy the Nvidia GeForce GTX 970 instead of the 760 as they say this will future proof the system and I can upgrade the Memory at a later date if needs be.

With the GTX 970 my total would go up to £930, which is about £180 more than I wanted to spend to be honest but if it gives me a cutting edge system that'll be future-proofed for years and allows me to edit videos, stream stuff and run almost all games on Ultra settings then I'll be a happy bunny I think.
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Re: PC Spec Advice

Post by Blakey » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:36 am

Just been looking at Chillblast, seen they're doing finance so I may be able to get a more expensive PC now...£49 a month for 46 months doesn't sound too bad, paid about the same for my road bike a couple of years ago!

I do think it's cheeky that they charge for delivery and for stuff like Arctic-6 thermal pastes etc. when you could possibly be spending £1400+ on a PC from them, fucking hate that shit, everything seems to be included with Utopia which makes me like them more and more...
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Post by Blakey » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:07 am

Company called YoYoTech are literally just down the road from me in Basingstoke, could go and collect it, crazy!

They don't do finance though :(

Just priced up the Chillblast Fusion Uzi, £41 per month, not bad!

This spec decent?

Bitfenix Prodigy Case in a choice of colours!
Intel Core i5 4690K 3.4GHz Processor @ 4.3GHz
Gigabyte GA-Z87N WIFI Motherboard
16GB PC3-12800 DDR3 Memory
NVIDIA Geforce GTX 970 4GB Graphics Card
120GB Samsung SSD
2000GB SATA 7200rpm Hard Disk
24x DVD-RW Drive
750watt Corsair PSU
Onboard High Definition Audio
WiFi connection built-in
Windows 8 64bit OEM
Nvidia GeForce Experience software installed as standard!

Asus VS239HV or Iiyama X2380HS Monitor
Zalman ZM-K400G Gaming Keyboard Keyboard and Force K3 Mouse

£1196 which includes a Monitor, keyboard, Mouse and Wi-Fi card.

Would I have to buy a PCI card for streaming on twitch?

Also, can anyone tell me the significance of power supply? Does it matter?
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Re: PC Spec Advice

Post by shinymcshine » Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:33 am

You need to consider a PSU that will be capable of running your current config plus a bit more for any future upgrades (ie a newer gen graphics card may have an increased power requirement than existing one).

However, the PSU also generates heat which can be problematic (to other components) within a tower unit, and the reason that consoles went back to external PSUs, hence perhaps you need to think about how the PSU will be cooled/vented.

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Post by FishyGinger » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:41 pm

I went with chillblast, was quite happy with it. The computer you listed looks decent, and the price seems alright. For the PSU, I highly doubt the makers would underspec it but nvidia have the power requirements for their cards on their website.
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