Social media hostility - GamerGate

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Re: Social media hostility - GamerGate

Post by Blakey » Fri May 27, 2016 11:14 pm

I get what you guys are saying but surely you don't need to be gods gift to FPS', as long as you can play the game, get through the levels etc. does it really matter how 'good' you are at it?

I see it in Youtube comments all the time, 'oh their shite at the game = opinion invalid' it's just an absurd notion to me, all games journo's are shite at games (for the most part) each has their own little niche that they specialise in and review games specifically for that genre, but they're all, by and large, a bit dogshite at everything.

Also, the guy that Karp was on about that 'wasn't great at Doom' didn't review Doom, that was Arthur Gies who is very competent at action games and FPS', I really don't see why it matters, it just gives people an excuse to illegitimate a person/sites score if it isn't to their particular tastes in my opinion.
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Re: Social media hostility - GamerGate

Post by maf-me-quick » Fri May 27, 2016 11:29 pm

Would of thought it depends on what you want from a review. You want a product review, anyone can do it. You want a critical analysis, you need someone who knows these things inside and out and can get the most out of them and knows exactly what to look for, ie an expert.

Especially with shooters where multi-player is a big deal (To the product).
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Re: Social media hostility - GamerGate

Post by Blakey » Fri May 27, 2016 11:46 pm

I think you just want an average gamer, you don't want some genre-pro who's gods-gift to the particular game he/she's playing and you don't want someone that doesn't know their Triangle button from their circle, you just want someone who is competant, that's all, if someone has to invest a ridiculous amount of hours into a game to become amazing at it to review it that just makes them a fanboy/girl and partial rather than impartial to me.
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Re: Social media hostility - GamerGate

Post by maf-me-quick » Sat May 28, 2016 2:09 am

I don't know. I think it is so particular to the game and the person reading the review. I think the common underline for me is I want the reviewer to know just as much about the game type or series as I do, and explain why it's good or not to the points that I care about. Take something like a platformer, or a character action game. 2 of my particular favourites. I want to find a trust worthy review that can speak to the nuances of the game, because I can already assume the fundamentals. When Eurogamer wrote their review for DmC: Definitive Edition the reviewer went in to explicit detail about why the game was improved because of it's added features, 60 fps, turbo mode, etc. Which the average gamer wouldn't know about.

On the other hand, if someone was explaining a SRPG say, games that I never play, but for example just say I was interested in one. I would want the reviewer to just break down the bare minimum of how the game systems operate so I can understand a bit more if I want to make the purchase. In that case they wouldn't need to know a whole lot, like I wouldn't, and that would help me learn more about the game.

This is nigh on impossible, though. Even from sites that I visit all the time. I think that's why videos are so important. Jeem is constantly putting up trailers for games in the PS4 thread and I can tell within 10 seconds of good gameplay if I will like it or not. That's a trailer showing a game in it's best possible light. So when someone is playing a game I want them to be really good at it, too, so the game gets good representation. Otherwise how do you know if the game is bad or it's being played poorly? Which you can find lots of on YT. Granted pro gamers don't necessarily help, because they play to a standard I never will, but I still think you need someone who is particularly good at a certain type of a game to demonstrate it properly.

Like I said, I think it really depends if you want a product review or a critical analysis. For me it depends on the game, and to get one or the other sometimes you need an expert. For instance all Pokemon reviews are useless to me now because no where I've seen goes as in depth to the multiplayer as I would like. But when certain Youtubers get a hold of it and start running through the multi-player changes that's what I want to know.

In short, I think it's a case by case basis.
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Post by therealjaxon » Sat May 28, 2016 7:05 am

Maf wins :D Expertly put. Surely you can't counter argument that Blakey :wink:
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Re: Social media hostility - GamerGate

Post by One-armed dwarf » Sat May 28, 2016 9:04 am

To be honest based on his own social media presence Arthur Gies is one of those guy's whose opinions I'd discount even if he was the Doom God.

The amount of haughty arrogance coming from some of these guys is crazy. Most of them are from the Bay Area too. Just seems like a problem with that place in general. Something in the air maybe.
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Post by therealjaxon » Sat May 28, 2016 9:48 am

The Bay area :? Morecambe Bay?
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Re: Social media hostility - GamerGate

Post by One-armed dwarf » Sat May 28, 2016 9:49 am

Sorry, Bay Area of San Francisco. Silicon Valley.
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Post by therealjaxon » Sat May 28, 2016 10:32 am

Ah, of course, far cooler :wink:
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Re: Social media hostility - GamerGate

Post by Blakey » Sat May 28, 2016 4:59 pm

Still absurd to me, as long as the reviewer technically knows how to play a game, is used to the genre or series he/she's playing and can elaborate enough on it either in word form or video form then that's enough for me.

I'll use VideoGamer as an example, they aren't perfect by any means but they are a good indicator of how sites work and divvy up different genres among their reviewers.

Dave Scammell does racing games, Simon Miller does action games, some FPS' and the odd RPG, Tom Orry does Indie Games, platformers etc. Alice Bell does Guides, Multiplayer-focused games and RPGs and Steve Burns does everything else, mostly action adventure and open world games.

They aren't perfect though, Miller's reviews on Batman games and Gears games are slightly suspect because he's a massive fan of both, so his review scores are higher as a result.
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Re: Social media hostility - GamerGate

Post by therealjaxon » Sat May 28, 2016 6:01 pm

But then Video gamer are doing what we said - giving each reviewer a specific genre or two which they know best.
Your way would be that they all review everything :?
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Re: Social media hostility - GamerGate

Post by Blakey » Sat May 28, 2016 7:07 pm

That wasn't my point at all Jax, of course reviewers should be used to the genre and/or franchise they're playing, they just don't necessarily have to be particularly good at playing them, again, take Dave Scammell as an example, he plays a lot of racing games, he knows how they work but is he amazing at them?

Not at all, you only need to look at him playing Dirt Rally and Sebastian Loeb rally on YT to know he isn't the mutts nuts, and he doesn't need to be, he's competent, he knows the genre and that's enough.
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Post by therealjaxon » Sat May 28, 2016 8:05 pm

Basically they need to be good players. Not crap, not Pro, just good.
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Re: Social media hostility - GamerGate

Post by maf-me-quick » Sat May 28, 2016 8:51 pm

I honestly think it depends on the game. Bayonetta is a really good example of this because it happened twice. Bayonetta has two core mechanics that separate it apart from other games of it's type. One is Witch Time, which is a very obvious, very flashy dodge at last second for slow motion ability. The other is Dodge Offset, which basically means hold down the combo buttons while dodging to continue combo after dodge. Find a review that mentions the 2nd mechanic. On either Bayonetta 1 or 2. It's probably possible, but I didn't see it on any of the big sites I frequent. And that's because you had a bunch of people who were reviewing the game who were familiar with that type of game because they played God of War. I love God of War, but you know what I mean? I didn't even spot it until my 3rd playthrough of Bayonetta until I sat there and thought "Why does she continue to shoot bullets that do basically no damage if you hold the button do...oh"

The same could be said about Vanquish, actually, where a bunch of reviews essentially said either "Oh, my god, slo-mo!" or "Meh, slo-mo". Leaving me really surprised when I played that game like "Wait, you can do these things?"

Reviews are such a big topic, especially these days. I can feel the urge to spiral off in a million directions with this such as the relevancy of game reviews, the accuracy of game reviews, the difference between a features test and a think piece game review, casual or specialist reviews and how to find them, the redundancy because of video, and everything in between because it all comes down to what the audience member is looking for. I'm not tryig to bang on but it's a big topic that I think is interesting.

To keep somewhat on message, I will say my favourite thing, though it's a rare thing, is listening to game designers talk about games they did and more interestingly didn't work on. Not necessarily in a review context, but because they are experts in the craft they always drop some extra knowledge that I wouldn't of thought about because I don't know. Game design is so endlessly fascinating to me and I think actually gets ignored a lot in reviews of games. Lots of reviews talk about mechanics and systems, but very few talk about why those things work so well and instead just talk about how they operate.
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Re: Social media hostility - GamerGate

Post by merman » Sun May 29, 2016 4:32 pm

Ridiculous to see the death threats on social media to Hello Games over the No Man's Sky.

Even worse seeing Notch side with the Gamergaters over the term "mansplaining" :roll:

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